What separates the people that see explosive growth with content marketing from everyone else?

You know the type: They have a blog that gets tons of engagement, they attract their target customers, they get measurable leads and sales, they get industry influencers to guest post, and they often get featured in top publications.

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It seems like every post they write gets tons of comments, attracts their exact customers, who happily try their product, shop at their store, or talk to their sales team.

Some of these marketers even write recap posts outlining six or seven figures of revenue attributable to leads from the blog.

But most blogs aren’t anywhere close to this.

For most marketers, the blog is a “placeholder”: it exists because they think they should have one, but it only brings in a trickle of traffic, very little comments, and fewer customers.

They end up spending most of their time in other channels, and often begin to resent the need to “publish regularly” (as we’ll show below, that’s not necessary).

For these marketers, content marketing is an expense — but perhaps more toxic, it’s a mental burden.

If you’re blogging for yourself (solopreneur, small agency owners, etc.), you begin to question whether it’s worth it and what you’re doing wrong.

If you’re doing content marketing inside of a company (as a consultant or an employee), you’re well aware that it takes time and money to run the blog, hire writers and pay developers. You may be working hard at it, but the results aren’t coming and meanwhile the CMO and CEO are questioning the ROI of your efforts.

If they asked you, you’re not even confident you could defend the ROI.

Or, if you’re getting traffic, it’s often not the right kind of traffic: you’re attracting the wrong audience or you’re not seeing any conversions coming from it.

So what are successful bloggers and content-focused companies doing that others are not? What do the marketers inside those companies know that everyone else is struggling to find?

The key is systems.

Getting a steady stream of ideal, ready-to-purchase customers requires a system:

  • A system for writing content that attracts the right traffic
  • A system for turning that traffic into leads
  • A system for diverting some of that traffic directly to a store or pricing page
  • A system for growth
  • A system for turning email subscribers into customers

Our Journey

We didn’t always have systems for attracting the a steady stream of target customers to a blog.

It took Benji years of trial and error, reading, and building relationships with experienced marketers to learn systems for what worked.

Once he found that though, he first grew Vistage’s blog from 1,000 to 20,000 uniques a month in one year.

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He didn’t just get any old traffic either, the blog was able to attract CEOs from companies with $5M or more in revenue, and convert them to members of CEO peer groups (Vistage’s “product”) all over the country while lowering the cost per lead by 600%.

Then, Benji did this again at ThinkApps, an app development company.

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When he started as the Head of Marketing, ThinkApps had no blog. Plus it was in a technical niche — he had to write about building great web, mobile and wearable products, and attract product managers, CTOs, and CEOs from fast growth and enterprise companies.

By implementing proven systems to attract the right audience (startup CEOs, product managers, and developers looking to build an app), he was able to grow their blog from 0 to 12,000 organic visitors in 6 months, and 0 to 35,000 unique visitors in 6 months:

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Organic Traffic Growth

Including ranking on the first page for high-profit keywords:

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But more importantly, that traffic converted into customers.

He developed a process for capturing leads directly off of blog posts, which led to multiple 5 and 6-figure deals from single posts.

Grow and Convert: Content grew our agency to $600,000 in revenue and helped us grow and sell our SaaS product

Many of you have followed our journey building Grow and Convert from the very beginning, and we’ve thoroughly documented our growth from the start.

Grow and Convert started with a public challenge to grow traffic to a brand new blog in 6 months. (You can read all of those update posts, chronologically, here.)

In the fourth month, we got over 23,000 sessions to Grow and Convert…

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…before backlinks, domain authority, and therefore SEO traffic even had a chance to kick in. (We bought growandconvert.com fresh in November 2015.)

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Only 890 of March’s 23,000 sessions were from organic.

That was in 2016. Now, two years later, this single “blog”, which started as a side project, has — to be a little dramatic — changed our lives.

…I told you I was being a little dramatic.

First, it enabled us to build, and sell, a blog publishing app Wordable.io, which got all kinds of love on Product Hunt and Appsumo:

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Side note: We first called it Postable then after Product Hunt and Appsumo, we got angry emails from the owner of Postable.com (a postcard mailing business) to tell us to change the name. I still don’t get what a card mailing service and a blog publishing business have to do with each other, but that’s another story.

Second, it of course has enabled the Grow and Convert content marketing agency, which bring in over $500,000 per year in revenue and pays both of us well in addition to our team of writers and content strategists.

Our only marketing channel has been content marketing and we get way more leads than we can handle. It allows us to pick and choose the clients we work with.

We’ve been able to work with brands like Patreon (data below) and get leads from companies like Yelp and Microsoft.


We literally don’t do any other marketing.

…and we definitely don’t do any “outbound” sales.

We even slack off on publishing content but the growandconvert.com engine we built keeps churning for us now: from June 2017 to present we’ve published only one article per month.

That’s, frankly, embarrassing. But we had to do it to focus on growing the agency and getting awesome results for our clients (which we’re showing below).

And all the work we did upfront from content marketing got us over 40 leads in the first month of announcing our agency to our 5,000 person email list and a steady stream ever since.

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A snapshot of our lead list, intentionally blurred out and size reduced so you can’t see everyone’s personal info.

Now here’s what we’ve been doing for clients over the past 8 months.

Our Results for Clients

We’ve used the same system we used to grow our business, on our clients, with similar results.

Our current and past clients run the gamut from big to small, different business types, different domain authority, and different target customers. For example here are four that we profiled in an earlier blog post (linked to below):

Patreon — a rapidly growing and VC backed online platform for creative people to make money from their art and work. (It’s exploding!)


Leadfeeder — A funded, profitable, and rapidly growing SaaS company that lets you see what businesses are visiting your website, even if they fill out no form ever, pretty cool.

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Inflow — An award winning marketing agency exclusively serving multi-million dollar ecommerce clients whose made the Inc 5000 a couple years in a row.


The way we got these results is varied. Each client is targeting different customers, and has different conversion goals.

For example for Patreon we wrote engaging, educational stories that highlight their best creators and inspire new ones to also be great. Then we moved to pain-point SEO which helped us scale traffic and conversions quickly.

In contrast, for Leadfeeder, the B2B SaaS company, we produced more bottom of the funnel, pain-point SEO focused pieces that ranked for very strategic keywords such as comparison terms between competitors:

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The post above, for example, quickly became one of the top lead generating posts in their entire blog.

Leadfeeder and Inflow also had unique content strategies catering to their goals and target customer profiles.

All of these results, for our old companies, for Grow and Convert, for our clients, have been achieved by applying the same system over and over again.

So what is this system?

While we’ve been busy doing everything you’ve just read above, we’ve been testing dozens of content types, promotion techniques and conversion tactics, and we’ve distilled it down to a 6 part system for getting a steady stream of customers through content.

We call it the Customers from Content System and we’ve developed a complete online video course to teach it to you.

What You’ll Learn in Customers from Content

Customers From Content is a 6 module video course, fully online, that you can access from anywhere anytime you like.

Module 1 – Know Exactly Who to Target

Most content marketers don’t have a deep understanding of who they’re marketing to. This handcuffs them to producing crappy fluff content forever. After this module you’ll have the skills to avoid this trap and level up your content.

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  • We walk you through detailed examples of mirage content vs. high quality content and breakdown the difference
  • You’ll immediately start understanding what makes good vs. bad content, and your creative wheels start turning
  • You’ll learn how to narrow down and identify the specific customers for which you should generate content.
  • You’ll learn our process for getting super deep on understanding the pain points of your best customers
  • You’ll learn the specific user research tactics we use to get customer information

Module 2 – Creating Content That Stands Out

Here you’ll learn our system for getting beyond “me too” fluff content (like listicles), and produce stellar, specific content that your ideal customers will bookmark, email to each other and share.

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  • You’ll learn the 6 content frameworks we use for ourselves and our clients
  • You’ll know what each framework does and when to use it
  • We’ll dive deep into our “sales funnel” framework so you’ll know when to product bottom, middle, or top of funnel content and what each does
  • Watch us walk through specific examples and teardown of many content pieces in the lens of each framework
  • Learn how to connect Module 1 to Module 2 and apply your customer understanding to produce content better than competition

Module 3 – Pain-Point SEO & Content Promotion

This is where almost everyone struggles. Almost no one teaches this (well). You’ll learn our system for driving traffic that converts through pain-point SEO and community content promotion. We’ve used these systems to get  over 45,000 visitors a month for Patreon, 15,000 a month for Leadfeeder, and scale traffic and leads for ourselves and our other clients.Mod 3 course 1

    • Learn how to research and identify topics to write about that will drive high-intent buyers to your blog
    • What promotion channels to manually promote content in so you can use your time most efficiently
    • Watch Benji screencast through pain-point SEO for SaaS and service based business
    • We’ll share our community content promotion process, teaching you the nooks and crannies of finding and posting in online communities
  • Learn how to get influencers to share your content without being pushy or sending 100s of spammy emails (we never have)
  • Get our honest and detailed opinion of guest posting (we don’t do much of it) and how best in integrate it into your strategy
  • Learn how we use PR as a promotion strategy, starting at the content ideation step, to dramatically increase the chances of getting coverage

Module 4 – Blog Conversions

Devesh has run blog conversion tests for sites such as Backlinko and corporate blogs with over 100,000 monthly visitors. In this module, he teaches what he knows about converting blog visitors, shares a starting plan you can adopt, and lays out a framework for you to optimize.Mod 4 course 1

  • Should you nurture leads with an email drip series or just ask for a lead? Devesh shares how to use our downloadable spreadsheet calculator to know, with numbers, which route you should take.
  • Get the real truth on how well different calls to action on blogs convert so you don’t have to inundate your blog with a million annoying CTAs (we never have)
  • We’ll walk through actual examples of conversion strategies from different blogs so you can learn from them
  • When should you AB test? Devesh will share his experience and teach you when to worry (and importantly, not worry) about this.

Module 5 – How to measure the ROI of content marketing

Immediately stand out from everyone else by knowing how to attribute leads to content and calculate a cost of acquisition from content marketing.

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  • You’ll get access to our cost of acquisition spreadsheet calculator, only available to buyers of this course
  • We’ll walk through how it works, how to use it, and multiple examples and scenarios
  • This knowledge will immediately put you in the top tier of content marketing knowledge, and let you convey to bosses, clients, and yourself how content marketing ROI compares to other channels
  • Without this ability it will forever be a struggle to convince the powers at be that content marketing is returning a great ROI, but with it you’ll finally be able to

Module 6 – Building a Team of Writers

Many people have emailed us saying the want to make content work for them, but they hate writing. You can use hired writers to start (or scale) your content marketing engine. This module will teach you how. We’ve tried (and failed) with multiple techniques, but after this module you won’t have to. You’ll learn exactly what’s worked for us.

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  • Learn why a content marketing manager shouldn’t be a writer and what they should focus on instead
  • Learn the pros and cons of hiring in-house writers, vs. a writing agency, vs. a team of freelancers, and why we prefer the latter
  • Learn how and where to find freelance writers
  • Learn our process for vetting freelance writers so you get the best
  • Learn how to pay and incentivize freelance writers so they continue to do great work over time

What Makes Customers from Content Different

We’ve gone to great lengths to make sure Grow and Convert wasn’t “just another” marketing blog. We made sure it’s received as a premium, advanced content marketing site.

For example: you don’t see any list posts on our site.

Every post is genuinely useful and helpful to our audience.

Our course, Customers from Content is no different.

Here’s what this training program is not:

It’s not a giant list of content marketing tactics – Some online courses or in person training programs are a giant buffet. They list a bunch of tactics you could use for SEO, social media, content marketing, etc. and leave it up to you to pick and choose. Customers from Content is the opposite. In our view, you don’t need a training program to list out tactics — you have the entire internet for that. What created a step change for us was filtering the buffet table of options down to a content marketing system, so our marketing teams could do less scattered work, and focus their efforts on a process that reliably pulled in customers at a low cost of acquisition. And it was repeatable, so we could implement this for multiple clients and multiple companies.

It doesn’t cover low level tactics – Many online courses are painfully low level: how to setup a blog, telling you you should blog regularly (really? I’d never have guessed…), teaching basic on page SEO like putting the keyword in your title, etc. That’s for beginners. Customers from Content is not for beginners. It’s for content marketers who know the basics (how to setup a blog, etc.) and want to be great at building qualified traffic via high quality articles that drive leads and sales. So we don’t waste your time with tech implementation. We don’t talk about WordPress setup, we don’t talk setting up SEO plugins, we don’t talk about blog post formatting, we don’t talk about technical setup of communities on different platforms. You know this, or can read it in a thousand places for free. That information is also not evergreen. We could cover setting up a Facebook group, but what if another platform is more popular in 3 years?

Instead, we cover strategy and systems.

  • Not how to publish content, but what content to publish.
  • Not how to schedule social posts, but how to leverage social (or whether to leverage it at all).
  • Not how to set up a community, but how to make sure it has the best people, stays active and engaged, and produces value for members.

That’s evergreen strategy.

The one exception is the Google Analytics setup section, which is by necessity tactically detailed.

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“The content in CFC is INVALUABLE. It’s seriously SO GOOD! I’ve spent over 6k on various business and marketing online courses, only to be dissatisfied with all of them. CFC is hands down the highest quality online course that I’ve ever taken. It has given me actionable next steps, taught me key factors on how to be successful with my content marketing, and it has really helped me formulate a plan of what to do next.” 

Lisa Clifford, Owner & CEO of Autistalline, (Ecommerce)

“This is the course I wish I had when I first started out as a content marketer. It would have saved me months of wasted effort. The moment I started applying the promotional techniques that Benji & Devesh outline, I had my first post hit 6k unique views in just 3 days.”

Dave Peralta, Outreach Marketer, Hotjar

After applying this system we’ve started getting more Android and Chatbot development leads [their ideal project types]. One of our articles got over 30k sessions (15k organic). We’ve only scratched the surface.” – 

Pavel Bashmakov, Founder, Stanfy (Mobile Development Agency)

“I’ve been writing content for four years, but I was never that organized or process driven which held me back for a long time. This course finally taught me a proven system that I can use with all my clients. I’m super grateful to have found Grow & Convert.”

Tam Pham, Head of Education @ BotAcademy (Mixergy’s Chat Bot Education Site)

“I had too many ideas… but you helped me get it focused. I now have the complete foundation and framework to build a successful content marketing operation within my niche.” 

Dave Lawrence, Head of Sales & Marketing, FollowupBoss (Real Estate SaaS)

“The original piece did not bring us any leads. We revamped the whole idea and went on to create an eBook and backed our claims with statistics at each level (this was after we had a discussion with you and some of our own research). Today, we have a 38% conversion rate on this e-book and have been able to start conversations with quality leads. I’m sure there’s a lot of scope for improvement.” 

Taru Bhargava, Inbound Marketer, AppVirality (Mobile App SaaS)

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